Hey fam,
I have seen quite a bit of hype around Monero on Nostr. I wanted to know if you guys are using Nostr?
If not I would highly encourage you guys to do so!
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Hey fam,
I have seen quite a bit of hype around Monero on Nostr. I wanted to know if you guys are using Nostr?
If not I would highly encourage you guys to do so!
I use Nostr, but it seems that protocols are somewhat schizophrenic, which makes it hard to build good implementations.
God parts
- "twitter"-like posting.
- Long form content posting.
- Wikis.
- Integrated payments via Zaps.
Bad parts
- Direct messages (different clients use different protocols).
- Groups: I found ~4 different kinds, and most of them don't even work. Also, group is attached to a relay, which doesn't make any sense -- why won't just host a forum at that point?
- No proper incentives for relays and implementors work.
- I have to manually find relays that do things I want, and I still don't know how can I even check which features a specific relay supports...
I agree that clients have work to do. I got really annoyed at some point so I am building my own stack. The problem is that clients decides which NIP to integrate and sometimes they are deprecated.
However, everything is open source so it is easy to build your own or to understand what is broken.
I also was thinking about building something on Nostr. But it seems that there are some deeper architectural problems that are not easy to fix on the client level.
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Also I know personaly people who made a Nostr client, and it still doesn't work good enough unfortunately (several years in development). Of course, it's easy to say that everyone just have skill issues and MY solution will be better, but I'm afraid at the end we may just end up with multiple bad solutions...
Not a fan tbh. The decentralised relay-server model is cool but ultimately it's terrible for privacy. It just doesn't have the network effect.
I think a small niche forum for like minded people has much more potential to grow.
Think 4Chan, early days of bitcoin reddit, and early bodybuilding forums.
But as always as soon as community becomes too large and normies start to join en mass, all the High Signal posts become diluted and the community begins to slowly die.
Have you read this article before? Geeks, Mops and Sociopaths.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
The TLDR: Online communities often begin with “Geeks” — highly committed people who create the culture, knowledge, and norms that make the community valuable. As the community becomes popular, “MOPs” (Members Of the Public) flood in, bringing different motivations and often diluting the original culture and signal. Eventually, “Sociopaths” may recognize the community's value and exploit it for status, money, or power. The original members become increasingly alienated because the thing they built no longer feels like it belongs to them. In short: growth can destroy the very culture and incentives that made a niche community valuable in the first place.
Worth a read if you interested in how online social networks go bad.
Most of us are, yes.
Quite a bunch of us use Nostr, here’s part of the bunch if you want to say hi:
https://following.space/d/ygm6vtdp3arx?p=af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85
A lot of Monero people ended up on Nostr after getting banned from the trillionaire’s walled garden. Not sure if it’s disproportionate, but I got banned (wrote about it here: https://aillia.substack.com/p/a-confession-of-an-inauthentic-human) and XmrBazaar did too (https://themeritocrat.substack.com/p/sudden-ban-of-xmrbazaar-x-account). Always sudden, no real legitimate reason, and unrecoverable. Still submitting appeals to this day.
...and, yes, decentralized solution is the only solution that actually lasts:
https://coracle.social/notes/nevent1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpz9mhxue69uhnzdps9enrw73wd9hj7qgewaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8xmn0vd5kzmp0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qqsdtkrc3anhct2vrfnnd5w6usk3jfed7sn7d37yq7zlfjkw9m4zf3cma5cg0