Agreed on simple, that's the whole point of my order of operation. People don't need macronutrient super science, they need one rule to start with. Protein and fat first, real food, eat until you're satisfied and stop there. The calories take care of themselves when the nutrients are in.

CICO looks simple on paper but it's the most complicated thing to live. Weighing everything, being hungry, relapsing.

And you're right, nobody outtrains a bad diet. In my clients the bad diet is almost always the nutrient poor one first. Fix that and the lean part stops being a fight

monerostar

everything is more finesed but if yiu want to get leaner you cannot outwork a bad diet and macronutrient super science isnt going to override eating 3 x the calories you need. Likewise if you want to gain muscle you cant eat it on. In most domains of life people need experts to make things simple not complex