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You'll get no argument from me, but my conclusion is different.

Sounds good. That's good common ground.

Christianity rather has been corrupted and used for false premises like docility, cowardice, embracing of racial suicide, etc.

Obviously, I disagree here regarding the corruption as the primary driver, but we already established we're not going to discuss it further and I won't push.

I realize the association is strong but being able to throw that off means that you have an elevated mind.

Yes, I understand different sects and interpretations as well as different implementations of values and theologies are possible and some are more productive or destructive than others. That being said, I think there is such a thing as epistemological load bearing core components that are inextricable from a theology with the resulting product inevitably being oftentimes poor.

It's a similar to the concept of communism. Communism is an abstraction with many different sects, applications, etc. They all lead to ruin because their core espistemological principals and tenants of their philosophy are false and rotten. By looking at what is associated with the applications of the abstractions and identifying the commonalities of the failures and examining the philosophy in-depth given the real world feedback from the results you can diagnose the problems with the abstraction itself. You can also just think through the ideology completely as an abstraction and try and think through the logical implications to diagnose issues without having to refer to the applications and other associations. Both are possible, but I would say the relationship between the abstraction and the associated practitioners and examples of past practice are useful in assessing the abstraction itself.

I think that covers what you mean when you say association versus abstraction, but feel free to clarify if you think I've gotten it wrong somewhere.

So while I actually agree with the article, I would appreciate it if you would understand this distinction, please.

I would argue I understand both and I have problems with both. Not trying to be rude or disrespectful as I appreciate the frankness and civility of our discussions.

No because the article does not explain deductively how Christianity is innately problematic to white naitonalism, all it does is give data stats. that's not deduction, that's association. Deduction does not require data, deduction merely requires principles.

This isn't even about Christianity, it's about heuristics. And it's where I end up clashing with people from every walk of life, every single religion, every faith, belief, viewpoint, is that I use deduction with the aid of Universal Principles, and everyone else uses association; studies, data points, word meanings, even empiricism, all of these are NOT abstracts. All of them can be used to paint ANY picture you want, positive or negative. I used to be that kind of person, until I played devil's advocate and started using the same tactics and argued against myself, I realized just how worthless my own "arguments" were.

All of life is a hierarchy of hierarchies, that which births, and that which is born, and everything that exists is based on patterns, derivations. All that is born of is born of another, and all that births comes ultimately from Singularity. This is how existence works, it is so simple and yet we as a species can NOT seem to just accept that what we see right in front of us also happens millions of miles and dimensions above our heads.

No i didnt read the other articles yet, I don't like to overload myself. But most of such topics can be explained by the fact that most are cattle and incapable of self-governance, and the few that can, should be awarded lovely liberties but themselves cannot understand that not everyone should have them. And the rest must simply suffer at the hands of both. Until we die and are truly free.

(btw it costs money to post on here so i dont post as much as i'd like. you're also welcome to add me on SimpleX, it's easier for me to carry on more threads on there.)

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