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Agreed. Progressivism is provably wrong in all instances.
Yet you believe in the myth of evolution. This is the same superstition, the belief that things naturally progress in and of themselves.
Most Western pagans were so savage they did not have written records and much of what we know of them is through Christian monks...
You are correct however in stating that pagan thought has had influence in the west, but mostly negatively. The merging of paganism with Christianity was necessary to keep it alive through the emergence of Constantine’s Holy Roman Catholic Church, which the British Reformed and then created the world’s greatest super power. You are speaking English right now because of the Puritans who won the civil war and wrote the first English constitution permanently ending despotic absolute monarchy which was the governance model of pagan chieftains.
Paganism is not a suppressed religion that needs to be returned to. It is in fact the philosophical basis of the whole enlightenment and technocratic tyrannical world order.
Charles Darwin did not invent the ideas behind evolution, he plagiarised and popularised the work of his grandfather Erasmus Darwin who wrote Zoonomia. Erasmus was also the grandmaster of the local masonic lodge. Pagan ideas were harboured underground in masonic institutions and popularised once they achieved ascendency through their many revolutions. The Son’s of Liberty, Jacobin Club, Bolsheviks and Irish Republican Brotherhood are all secret fraternal orders espousing pagan philosophy and doctrine. It is these groups with their pagan doctrines that now control the world by achieving their goals which was the eradication of Christian government, the family and the influence of the church in society and to bring about a new secular global order. What do we have today? This exact reality.
This is why in many public ceremonies paganism is celebrated:
2024 Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony: https://www.youtube.com/live/j-Ou-ggS718?t=9538 original ↗
2022 Commonwealth Games Ceremony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRX4-h8c3Y original ↗
2016 Gotthard Base Tunnel Ceremony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f66lLRSQHAU original ↗
While Christianity is openly ridiculed and mocked, such as the Sam Smith 2023 Grammy Awards ceremony and the Paris Olympics ceremony already linked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-EpvI6vXl4 original ↗
The pagan doctrine of biogenesis via evolution original ↗ is aggressively taught in all major institutions and through the public education system, even though there is no observable evidence for the phenomenon, not even in the genetic code of organisms is there a means for new genetic information to be coded. Not to mention the glaringly obvious fact that there is no life on other planets. I guess some life can't "find a way".
Christians had been cancelled from academia original ↗ before cancel culture received mainstream recognition for simply questioning this foolish dogma.
Evolution philosophy is the basis of technocratic social engineering. Here is the founder of Technocracy Inc and co-author of the Technocracy Study Course, Howard Scott in his own words:
The picture of the supernaturalism of man and the special
creations received a final thrust when, in 1859, Charles Darwin issued his book Origin of Species. In this book Darwin showed that instead of species being separately created, animal and plant life undergoes gradual and very slow change, and by this evolutionary process, given a sufficient amount of time, entirely new life forms develop from primitive stock. Thus, life on earth according to this new notion of Darwin, must have begun at sometime so remote that no record of it is available, and from these.
Simple primitive forms all of the diverse species of plant and animal] life, including man, himself, must have arisen.
This was too much, and the theologians were up in,arms again.
Dogs, horses, cows, and monkeys may have evolved from lower
life forms, but man—never! Man, after all, had a soul and a conscience. He could reason and could discern the difference between right and wrong. He was something above and apart from the brute beasts of the field. While this fight lasted for a period of 30 to 40 years, as usual the facts won out against tradition, and human beings, much as it hurt their egotism to have to do so, were so far removed from the pedestal upon which they had originally imagined themselves to be, that at last they were obliged to admit blood kinship with the other members of the animal kingdom.
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Attention has already been called to the fact that the
human body is composed chemically of the ordinary substances of which rocks are made. So are dogs, horses, and pigs. In an earlier lesson, while discussing the ‘human engine,’ we pointed out that the human body obeys the same basic laws of energy transformation as a steam engine. This also is true of dogs, horses, and pigs. These facts might lead one to suspect that human beings are very far removed from the semi-supernatural creatures they have heretofore supposed themselves to be.
This is why Pavlov, Skinner and Calhoun all experimented on animals, because they view humans as an animal that can be tamed and conditioned.
People who believe they are simply animals fall into nihilism and pleasure seeking – the exact psychological condition needed to create compliant global slaves.
This is all I have to say on this subject and I have no desire to discuss epistemology let alone theology until you can at least acknowledge the simple fact that evolution is a progressive myth rooted in paganism and embraced by technocracy.
Yet you believe in the myth of evolution. This is the same superstition, the belief that things naturally progress in and of themselves.
Can you define what you mean here? Even most Christians believe in at least natural selection/artificial selection and microevolution. Do you not believe in macroevolution only or the whole thing?
Most Western pagans were so savage they did not have written records and much of what we know of them is through Christian monks...
So am I incorrect to state that you believe most European pagans were listless savages until the Jews and/or Jesus came along to civilize them? Also, Christians destroyed a lot of things when they came along. It's entirely possible that included additional written records. Runes existed before Christians arrived, the majority of pagan society wasn't literate as far as we know as was overwhelmingly the case across most of the world even in the literate parts at the time. These illiterate people also built advanced ships, established expansive trade routes, and were near unparalleled in battle. They also built complex structures. Their legal structure was also fairly advanced and well balanced and allowed for a lot of freedom to the point that we would possibly be envious of even to this day.
You are correct however in stating that pagan thought has had influence in the west, but mostly negatively. The merging of paganism with Christianity was necessary to keep it alive through the emergence of Constantine’s Holy Roman Catholic Church, which the British Reformed and then created the world’s greatest super power.
I would argue they had to make Christianity more pagan and lie about a lot of its characteristics in order to make it appealing to the pagans and other people who they converted. This is what syncretism was. It was lying about tolerating things that were heretical as a means of slippery sloping them into Christianity. I would argue there were a lot of positive things that fell along the wayside from the elimination of pagan ideals and beliefs.
Is creating a world hegemonic government something I'm supposed to praise? I would argue most more distributed systems were more free than the concentrated hegemony we have today, which is generally in line with what Hoppe found.
Paganism is not a suppressed religion that needs to be returned to. It is in fact the philosophical basis of the whole enlightenment and technocratic tyrannical world order.
Why? Do you even know enough about paganism to say such a thing? What about it is so bad? Be specific and stick to ancestrally European paganism since that's the scope of the discussion.
Charles Darwin did not invent the ideas behind evolution, he plagiarised and popularised the work of his grandfather Erasmus Darwin who wrote Zoonomia. Erasmus was also the grandmaster of the local masonic lodge.
Satan himself says 2+2=4. Does that make it 5?
Pagan ideas were harboured underground in masonic institutions and popularised once they achieved ascendency through their many revolutions.
What ideas and why were they bad?
It is these groups with their pagan doctrines that now control the world by achieving their goals which was the eradication of Christian government, the family and the influence of the church in society and to bring about a new secular global order.
Why was Christianity vulnerable to such subversion? Were there epistemological weaknesses to exploit that are fundamental to the faith?
While Christianity is openly ridiculed and mocked, such as the Sam Smith 2023 Grammy Awards ceremony and the Paris Olympics ceremony already linked:
Christianity mocks itself everyday. It hardly needs the help. Didn't the pope declare support for the migrant invasion? Didn't Erika Kirk publicly forgive her husband's killer? Didn't Austin Metcalf's father do the same? Don't many preachers say we have to support the state of Israel because the bible says so? That being said, I obviously disagree with the Olympics thing. Honestly though, oftentimes I think the things that get mocked most about Christianity is the tendency to call everything "demonic", the self-flagellation over sin, and the over indexing on forgiveness (without contrition oftentimes). I think those things warrant criticism and some Christians themselves criticize these things. I also think a lot of criticizing Christianity is just a backdoor way of insulting white people.
People who believe they are simply animals fall into nihilism and pleasure seeking – the exact psychological condition needed to create compliant global slaves.
I don't advocate hedonism. Obviously I have my own beliefs and belief structure which I find to be life affirming and positive, but I'm not going to lay it out here. That's besides the point. For the sake of this discussion we'll leave it at: I don't endorse hedonism and I recognize the importance of spirituality in human direction and fulfilment.
This is all I have to say on this subject and I have no desire to discuss epistemology let alone theology until you can at least acknowledge the simple fact that evolution is a progressive myth rooted in paganism and embraced by technocracy.
I already asked earlier for you to be more specific about what you mean by evolution. Can you point me to the arguments and sources that you find compelling against evolution? I'm open to looking into it and potentially challenging my beliefs if the critiques are well founded.
This is all I have to say on this subject and I have no desire to discuss epistemology let alone theology until you can at least acknowledge the simple fact that evolution is a progressive myth rooted in paganism and embraced by technocracy.
You are proving to be a sophist and I don't suffer fools.
I never even brought up evolution and it's not remotely relevant to this discussion. Instead of answering what I said, you keep insisting I denounce a tangential position I may have. In fact the whole discussion on paganism and evolution is just you deflecting from criticism by responding with ad hominem style attacks against what you assume I believe in. Instead of addressing any points or criticism I have you just respond: "We can't talk until you say paganism and evolution is bad and false". That's fucking retarded. Do you honestly think after your conduct in this discussion a neutral observer would say I'm the sophist and not you?
Agreed. Progressivism is provably wrong in all instances.
While Christianity definitely played a part in western civilization, it is inaccurate to say that it is the basis. Many tenants of western civilization and western legal and moral philosophy came from the Greeks, and the Germanic peoples. The genes, personality traits, and differences in cognition of western man were established long before Christianity became prominent in western society and are a key component of what makes western society what it is. Our people were not listless savages before the jewish messiah came along.
Blaming our current decline on atheism or "moving away from Christ" is objectively false. This country has been embracing dogshit progressivism since at least the 1930s. The US only dropped below 80% Christian in 2007. If Christianity was near constant that whole time, how can you realistically blame any of this on people not being Christian? That's ridiculous. Diagnosing that as the problem is a major reason why nobody addresses the problem. I don't agree with the "Christianity has been corrupted" arguments, but they're much better than blaming nonbelievers for the decline in Christianity. The fact is that the state grew under Christianity often using Christian rhetoric about helping people to justify the regulatory and welfare state. You can say that rhetoric is incorrect, but you can't deny that it happened.
I won't go into my other positions here, we obviously disagree a lot on religion and epistemology, but I think an internal examination of the teachings and conduct of religious institutions is warranted. Churches disproportionately devote much of their aid and missions to helping foreign refugees, immigrants (to include facilitating their migration), poor persons in other countries, and advancing the interests of Israel (or sometimes jews more broadly). That's obviously a problem. If you agree with the point that the church has been subverted, it would make far more sense to devote time and energy into fighting that battle than recruiting people to versions of Christianity you say are corrupted.