I never think it’s a great idea to publicly proclaim you are withholding tax, or to publicly talk about organized withholding tax events like Jocko Willink and others are considering as a protest measure.
That said withholding tax is a fast way to curb governments, cause reform and reshape the political landscape. Mass tax withholding would change our communities pretty fast.
X app is an eco chamber. Whatever your view the algo finds you a community and makes sure you think ‘everyone’ thinks the same so it is a poor gauge for social views.
But when I see lots of examples like - two women in a coffee shop complaining about Russia being the new ‘weapons of mass destruction’ for entering phony wars, or a 15 year old asking his Mom why politicians are always crooks? I think there is a big opportunity.
Monero is a quiet way to withhold tax. No big proclamation. No value signalling. Just do it quietly. Start with a part of your income and put more of your money on dark mode over time.
If the Monero community focused on the disheartened and disenfranchised people in the community (where I believe there are massively increasing numbers) we might have a way to radically lift Monero adoption.
For XMR to blow the roof off $10,000 usd it really doesn’t need billions of people.
One tiny country with flaky currency.
A small niche local community with global connections.
A tool for protesters to withhold tax without having to turn their lives upside down.
Whatever,
My point is that we could collectively target the next 1% of Monero users. Maybe it isn’t the dissidents, but instead of all of us posting “get Monero” to nobody all week what if we got more organised and more targeted in our shill skills and on mass start shilling like villains focused and working together to tractor beam noobs into the fold?
We have marketing people in the community to help identify a target group. People who know how to develop and test branding and messaging etc. We don't need a CCS.
We can do this on stasher.
What do you think?
Not paying taxes is always moral. Declaring it is almost always stupid. I think a lot of newcomer dissidents or principled protestors are going to find out quickly how bad things actually are. Especially if they don't plan well.
Targeting the next 1% is a good goal. I actually think we need to target alt-right/nationalists. There are tons of alt-right/nationalists that say "Donate on Patreon/paypall/venmo" or "Donate with crypto (no monero included)" from their 3 times censored podcast on rumble because they got banned off YouTube, but they don't know enough about monero to ask for it or integrate it into their funnel structure. Not to mention everyone that donates is getting put on a list. You could probably target progressives too, but they will be a harder sell because some retard will say it's bad for the environment or undermines taxation or some other bad faith criticism meant to alter behavior not make logical sense and they'll fold.
We also need to go through and make sure agorist infrastructure uses it. I remember Derrick Broze put out an agorist newsletter as a collaboration with others and they only allowed BCH not XMR. We can't let ideological moonboys keep selling the dream to technologically impaired dissidents. It makes the whole movement weaker. Also, glad this site doesn't require email. Having to maintain a bunch of different emails is a pain in the ass. I'll probably do a post asking about that later.
Remember the community is relatively small (and we're up against bots, feds, shills, and NPCs) so finding small communities and advocating to them will be highest impact. Then it can snowball from there.
Some great thoughts in here. There are a lot of reasonable people with divergent ideas that are demonitized, debanked, or economically cut out. It would only take one major OF girl to request donations in XMR, or someone like Jake Shields or Dan Blizerian or some famous money guy or whoever to get into it and we would have instant and very strong adoption.
We're honestly close. Peter Schiff and Nick Fuentes have both mentioned monero, but only offhand and not as an endorsement or even description really. Someone should reach out to @FromKulak on Twitter or Anarchonomicon on substack. The monerowall feature is actually the killer app here. It's hard to make money privately writing and every data point and leverage point discoverable by your enemies and the gov will be used against you. If we start reaching out to those people, it could make stasher the new substack.
neither of those two are needle movers.
we need someone cool.
It's one person. I suggested her because she already accepts monero making conversion interesting and she produces high quality dissident articles. Also, like I said before snowballing small communities would be a good strategy. She is also plugged into some other interesting alt-right circles so if it works well for her she would be a pretty big advocate.
Check out this article if you haven't, not sure what you mean by "not cool" honestly. It's a subjective preference, but I find her work interesting. Martianwyrdlord is pretty good too on twitter and substack (Postcards From Barsoom).
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Love this. Had no idea Jocko Willink organized tax-withholding events.
My stance has always been. If you want citizens to report where all their income comes from, show where all of it goes... which will never happen and even if it did, we would be lied to our faces about where it goes. We know exactly where it goes and that's why it is a moral obligation to evade taxes, otherwise you are funding the very thing you are against.
We do indeed have marketing + branding people in the community (hi).
The tax issue is a good litmus test of intelligence.
Whenever I introduce people to the ideas of freedom or Monero and they mention how these tools can help people evade taxes, I know I have found someone with potential. For obvious reasons, I never openly advocate tax evasion.
of course, paying taxes is just and good and they only use it for righteous and noble purposes, but it's the old story isn't it? a man who doesn't earn any money doesn't have any taxes to pay.,
I think Monero already does a good job advertising this itself simply by being what it is.
Anyone with the mental capacity would put two and two together and come to the conclusion that Monero is something to their benefit if they are concerned about taxes.
In general, I try to stay away from suggesting this idea that Monero helps evade taxes simply because I don't want to draw attention to myself and also because I feel it would paint monero in a negative light to the normie brain.
But of course, that doesn't stop anyone else who wants to highlight this aspect or ability that Monero gives users, from doing so.
By all means, start a movement. Use Stasher. Make calls to action, a concrete plan, and see who follows. Good ideas lead movements.
99 % of monero is probably held by normie investors that haven't ever done a tx onchain. of the 1% or whatever it is that use it the majority is just probably old guys like us who are buying industrial quantitites of street legal chopsticks and laxatives to try to get the bowels moving.
What the fuck is wrong with you? 😂😂😂
Fucking chopsticks and laxatives 😂
buddy that's way more elegant than dislodging things with a river stick.
If all of just got one more person on board. Not stacking but actually earning, buying selling in Monero, adoption would quickly skyrocket. No need for marketing just quiet adoption of one more person around you. Just one.
Upvote, totally agree!
Here's the amazing news, every new user strengthens the network and makes the blockchain more resistant to attack.
Everybody should always pay all relevant taxes to the relevant authorities. ;)
i have told you before and i will tell you again. their rules do not apply to me.
It's because he is the relevant authorities! Like those IRS workers that got caught evading taxes!
Kidding of course. This site may be somewhat insulated from feds compared to the rest of the internet due to the monero paywall.
In all seriousness I had a hard time finding the source for this story. Mentioned a little here. They hired back people who intentionally withheld federal tax.
https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/documents/reports/2017-10/201710035fr.pdf